Watch "I apologise to the whole Ukrainian nation" - former Russian army officer"

@closingdown said in #48:
> @artemiusua
> Ok and, the point is whether or not Ukrain will even have a chance of winning the war, not even if they win just to see if they even have a small chance, and you are talking about Ukranian tractor drivers?

Who the f.. is your pusher dude! rotfl

from Sy Hersh, who has been exposing US government war crimes since the Vietnam War

www.moonofalabama.org/2023/02/hersh-how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream-pipeline.html#comments

when I tried to copy the URL directly from Hersh's substack, it didn't work, maybe you have to subscribe or something. The US and NATO are winning the propaganda war, but reality has a way of eventually catching up, and propaganda does not overcome logistics, which is where Russia has the advantage on the ground.

What is this?

The question was:
> To understand your logic it would be nice if you answer 2 question:
> - Do you consider the actions of the USA to be criminal (Iraq, Vietnam, etc.)?
> - Do you consider the actions of the Russia in Ukraine criminal?

@pretzelattack1 so it's clear that you think the actions of the US are criminal. What about Russia's actions in Ukraine?

of course i think the actions of the US in Iraq and Vietnam are criminal. so does the US. that is why it withdrew from the jurisdiction of international criminal courts, to avoid being taken to court. Russia's action in Ukraine is based on the precedent the US set in Kosovo, so the answer to that question depends on whether you think the US actions in Kosovo were legal. my viewpoint is that if there were a just international legal system, Russia's action would be illegal, but there isn't one because the major power in the world, the US, is not legally accountable for its actions. It's like an old us western town run by a corrupt gang, with a corrupt sheriff. there were a few of those.

@pretzelattack1 said in #55:
> It's like an old us western town run by a corrupt gang, with a corrupt sheriff. there were a few of those.

You can't possibly think of Dodge City, where Marshal Matt Dillon maintained law and order. In the western series "Gunsmoke" he put every bandit and villain in prison.

@Tenakel said in #56:
> >It's like an old us western town run by a corrupt gang, with a corrupt sheriff. there were a few of those.
>
>
> You can't possibly think of Dodge City, where Marshal Matt Dillon maintained law and order. In the western series "Gunsmoke" he put every bandit and villain in prison.

This Russian troll @pretzelattack1 sees only the crimes of the USA, and when Russia commits crimes, he simply closes his eyes.
He sees Iraq, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, but doesn't see Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, Ukraine.

@artemiusua said in #57:
> This Russian troll @pretzelattack1 sees only the crimes of the USA, and when Russia commits crimes, he simply closes his eyes.
> He sees Iraq, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, but doesn't see Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, Ukraine.

This shouldn't come as a surprise, as this has been the Soviet/Russian strategy of argumentation and justification since Stalin.

@artemiusus

I see the lies about Assad's forces in Duma poisoning children. I see Chechnyans strong supporting Russia. i see decades of interference by the US in Ukraine, and not a peep uttered by people like you. I see the same smears used to justify the illegal genocide the us committed in Iraq (Saddam lover) used, again, by you. I see the mainstream press so far managing to ignore the Seymour Hersh bombshell report about the US being involved in blowing up the pipeline that supplied lower cost gas to Germany, and I see you ignoring that, too.

@Tenakel actually i prefer not to use hollywood as my go to source on history.