Watch "I apologise to the whole Ukrainian nation" - former Russian army officer"

@artemiusua typically you ignore the link and use the age old smear of people who oppose US foreign policy, as Saddam apologists or Putin fans or whatever. It was ignorant and inexcusable during the Iraq War and the Vietnam War and it isn't any better now. If you knew anything about Craig Murray you would know he is far from a fan of Putin, but you don't.

@arbez said in #1:
> "Allegations of brutal interrogations, where Ukrainian men were shot and threatened with rape, have been made by a former Russian military officer.
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> Konstantin Yefremov, the most senior officer to speak openly, told the BBC in an exclusive interview Russia now sees him as a traitor and defector.
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> At one site in southern Ukraine, he said "the interrogations, the torture, continued for about a week".
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> "Every day, at night, sometimes twice a day."

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> Mr Yefremov tried to resign from the army numerous times - but he ended up being dismissed for refusing to return to Ukraine. He has now fled Russia."
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> You can read the whole - very long and detailed article - here: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64470092
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> In the article there is also a link to the interview (video).
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> TRIGGER-WARNING!

I AINT READING ALLAT

@hal9k LOL CNN is not the same as SNL. that's a long running comedy show. CNN is sometimes funny, but it is not on purpose.

@pretzelattack1 said in #22:
What you do is called whataboutism.

no it isnt, it's called disputing your assertions. one of the two major parties to the Ukraine War has a long record of proxy wars and outright invasions, justified by immense and well coordinated propaganda campaigns. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Ukraine are the major examples of this, but there are dozens more. you don't like hearing that, but it is true, and it is backed up by western journalists up to about 2018 or 2019, then the increasingly centralized western media pivoted, stopped pointing out the neonazi nature of the Azov battalion and its allies, stopped talking about the buildup to this proxy war. this would not have been possible without the failure of a large segment of independent media in the United States, locally owned newspapers, and without the takeover of major media outlets like the Washington Post by companies that profit immensely from the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about so many years ago.

Here is a good discussion of the economic underpinnings of this war
www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/02/the-economics-of-the-ukraine-proxy-war-with-michael-hudson-and-radhika-desai.html

@pretzelattack1 said in #26:
> no it isnt, it's called disputing your assertions.

Look, here is my assertions:

>"Russia is now waging an aggressive and criminal war.
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>You see how the Russians destroy dozens of cities, how they destroy civilian infrastructure, how they kill civilians and torture them. How they are involved in record looting. It all happens en masse, it's all recorded and documented.
>And you continue to look for excuses for all these crimes."

In response, you start talking about the crimes of someone else, the United States, for example. How does this justify Russia? What it is if not whataboutism?
Read about Whataboutism - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

"Russia is now waging an aggressive and criminal war.

yeah that assertion is wrong. Russia is reacting exactly how the US reacted when the USSR put missiles in Cuba in response to the US putting missiles in Turkey pointed at Russia. moreover it is reacting to the US instigating a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and replacing the legitimate government there with one it could manipulate. you pretend that the crimes the US has committed in Ukraine, and so many other places around the world, are irrelevant to Russia's (and China's) reaction to US attempts to stir up trouble on their borders, but it is not irrelevant, not "whataboutism" it is the proximate cause of these wars and threatened wars. if the US did not have such an atrocious record of interference with and invasions of other countries, neither Russia nor China would regard them as such a threat.

just out of curiosity Artemiusua what country are you from? you evidently are not from the US, since you are not aware of what Saturday Night Live is.