Do you cheese a Master or not in a simul?

Hello Lichessers, I need some feedback.

I just played in a simul, had an amazing game with a winning position, but I was not sharp enough and the IM managed to reach a dead draw in a rook endgame.

He offered a draw, I declined and managed to cheese a win out of it because his time ran out, as he still was playing 4 opponents at the end of the simul. (he banned me after the game LUL)

For me it was fun, as we noobs threw anything at our disposal against a super strong opponent. Or was it just bad manners?

Thoughts?

@aescht said in #1:
> Hello Lichessers, I need some feedback.
>
> I just played in a simul, had an amazing game with a winning position, but I was not sharp enough and the IM managed to reach a dead draw in a rook endgame.
>
> He offered a draw, I declined and managed to cheese a win out of it because his time ran out, as he still was playing 4 opponents at the end of the simul. (he banned me after the game LUL)
>
> For me it was fun, as we noobs threw anything at our disposal against a super strong opponent. Or was it just bad manners?
>
> Thoughts?

not being a master does not mean being a "noob" everyone has potential, congratulations on your victory!
I would say that this is the kind of thing that is regular in a simul, it is up to the organizer of the simul to know how to manage their time, so you have won honestly and you can brag about it!

For my part, I often play masters, but now it doesn't matter to me anymore, I just play the best I can, it makes or breaks, it doesn't matter if it's a checkmate or a flagging!

I guess if the point of playing simuls is to flex, showing that one can beat all of these patzers at once, then you are doing the right thing playing on. Keep in mind that if you quit you are also harming the other participants in the simul - the IM did, after all, receive a big time bonus at the beginning, so if everyone should do their part in working that down. Just curious, do you know how many other games were still going at that point?

On the other hand, if the point is just to allow a lot of people to play the IM, then maybe you should take the draw.

Either way, simuls are played unrated for a reason, and if this guy can't handle losing an unrated game he shouldn't play.

Well, I suppose it all comes down to...do you really feel like you can boast about such a victory? (And it doesn't sound to me like you do feel that way.) And after all, that extra half-point didn't help you to win a tourney or anything.

Decline the draw and then play until the guy is completely demoralized with 30 seconds left on the clock, and then you offer a draw. In this way you're doing psychological warfare that helps the other guys playing him, and also dominating him with a tremendous power move. Then you say: "Maybe I should be the one giving the simul hehe", and if the guy has a weak character this may affect his other games. If he blocked you I reckon this would've worked wonderfully.

@kingdave2 said in #3:
> Just curious, do you know how many other games were still going at that point?

Yeah it was a lichess simul. You can see how many games are played, the results, everything.

I take the opposite view to most respondents above. I think it's dubious to decline a draw against a master in a simul when you are not winning the position on the board, and definitely unethical to play for a win on time in a simul. These occasions should be used as an opportunity to test your chess skills against a very strong player, not to take advantage of the fact that your opponent is playing under the huge handicap of facing multiple opponents at the same time.

You found a legal way to win and you used it. It's not cheesing.

I ́d do it. Yes, I ́d love to be able to boast about it afterwards, and yes, an IM who thinks he ́s up to this should be able to cope with all eventualities, including devious spoilsports like the OP and me.

All good clean fun! :P