When a protest goes too far...

hey greenteakitten this genocide isn't finished. how many Jews had been killed within 5 months after it started? let's at least attempt to make honest comparisons here, and not pretend a 10 year period is a proper comparison for a 5 month period. If enough people had spoken out and resisted the Nazi Holocaust at the very start, millions might have been saved. Here, the US is funding it, and protecting Israel from the consequences with its veto power.

@Under-the-radar said in #39:
> After reading your latest reply, one thing is sure to me, that is if you're not completely hypocritical then you're indeed quite the opposite of smart. You managed to not get (or to pretend not to get) one single of my points right, and consequently not to answer to them.
>
> In one case as in the other, I won't keep wasting my time in this thread.

The guy is a serial debate avoider when the subject is not convenient for his agenda.

Read this:

lichess.org/forum/off-topic-discussion/language-choice?page=9#85

What would be the consequences if some Muslims physicians - also being Program Directors - were threatening to do this to some students who are also Jewish residents of a med faculty?

i.cbc.ca/1.7064526.1703206627!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/canadian-jewish-physicians-group-post.jpg

They would have to write a resignation letter rapidly and deal with no future in their career.

@pretzelattack1 said in #40:
> the bias in the mainstream press has clearly been in favor of Israel. That is changing, with incidents like the New York Times withdrawing it's mass assault story, but the government and the main media outlets have clearly been putting out Israeli propaganda. More diffiicult to do in light of the ICJ findings, the exposure of numerous lies, and the latest food aid and torture atrocities.

That might have to do with your search engine. I find that for me it almost always shows bias towards Palestine. (Which, I don't think "actual" bias on a whole sways any way or the other. I'm just saying that from my experience it goes opposite.)

For example many misinformation claims are still available on Google. If I search up "October 7 apache" I will get a bunch of results on the supposed attack by Israel on its own citizens, when fact check says the opposite.

The Washington Post tends to have coverage from both sides, but it leans Palestinian. Al Jazeera is a good Palestinian leaning source, Breaking News Network, etc.

There's a lot of them out there. A lot :)

@pretzelattack1 said in #41:
> hey greenteakitten this genocide isn't finished. how many Jews had been killed within 5 months after it started? let's at least attempt to make honest comparisons here, and not pretend a 10 year period is a proper comparison for a 5 month period. If enough people had spoken out and resisted the Nazi Holocaust at the very start, millions might have been saved. Here, the US is funding it, and protecting Israel from the consequences with its veto power.

I think you may be mixing up some history here.

People talked about the Holocaust. Before it happened, the case was brought to the world. Vienna's Jews pleaded to be allowed to immigrate, to be ransomed from Hitler.

Who took Jews? Iirc it was The Dominican Republic. Some republic, I don't remember anymore. But how many did they take? Barely any.

The rest of the world closed its doors to the Jews. They knew there would be violence (whether or not they knew how much is another question). They knew. And they closed their doors anyway.

In other words, it isn't about being a bystander and how people weren't bystanders in the Holocaust. People were.

I fail to see how many Jews died being an evidence of genocide against Palestine. Seems more like a red herring to me. Besides, less Israelis dying does not equal that they are "evil" in any sense, just that their government prioritizes citizens a bit more than Palestine does.

No one says that Gaza isn't suffering. But if you continue standing by, yelling against the IDF and (likely, by the way you talk) throwing your support for Hamas, it's going to end badly.

Get a real government up there, one that isn't a puppet. And then and only then will Palestine be "freed".

@bfchessguy said in #42:
> The guy is a serial debate avoider when the subject is not convenient for his agenda.
Yeah some people really hate being reminded of simple facts that don't fit their narrative. I can think of more than one forum user that is in this situation.

@greenteakitten said in #21:
> A "75 year genocide" does not end in population growth.
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> That's not to say that Palestine hasn't suffered. Don't put words in my mouth. But to say that there was a genocide seems to be the wrong word, don't you think?
So I suppose that the ICJ judges are just a bunch of ignorant people who don't even know what a genocide is? One wonders how they even got in there in the first place. Of course, the alternative is that they're not the ignorant ones, and the "a genocide doesn't end in a population growth" is actually the red herring.
> The biggest insult to the memory of the holocaust is not denying it but using it as an excuse to justify the genocide of the Palestinian people.
-- Norman Finkelstein

@greenteakitten said in #30:
> I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to say people haven't died. People die all the time in war, especially in close-range combat. What I'm trying to say is that there's been no genocide.
There was a genocide, you cannot deny it. You are telling me later that it's a mass killing, but it's a synonym of genocide. Come on.

> And your cake argument makes sense - until you discover a problem. It's not been one or two years. It's been 75.
I never said the cake is regrowing a limited amount of time. The cake can regrow during 75 years and the fallacy is still obvious.

> For genocide to work I would have thousands of helpers, all motivated by an extreme hate of the people they are killing.
Isn't that what's happening right now, Jews hate a lot the christians and muslims in Israel because they think they're better?

You have been brainwashed to the highest degree.

> So whatever's happening, it's a mass killing. But not a genocide. If you start calling everything genocide we lose just how powerful that word is.
Come on, they're both synonyms. I argued about this before, it stays a genocide.

greentea I'm not talking about search engines. I'm talking about Israeli propaganda being disseminated at the most prestigious media organizations in the US, like the New York Times. Fox News is similar, so is MSNBC. The same thing happened during the buildup to the second Iraq war. the media frenzy over a fake scandal called Russiagate, and for the past several year regarding the war in Ukraine.

I think genocide is precisely the correct word to use, or you could use the phrase "ethnic cleansing". It takes a while to kill or move a population of a couple of million.

@greenteakitten said in #30:
> For genocide to work I would have thousands of helpers, all motivated by an extreme hate of the people they are killing.

You nailed it...

"Thousands of Israelis took part in the Jerusalem Flag March on Thursday, with the highly controversial annual event again featuring racist chants and scuffles with Palestinian residents as the largely teenage, religious nationalist participants made their way through the Old City’s Muslim Quarter."

www.timesofisrael.com/at-jerusalem-flag-march-chants-of-death-to-arabs-and-assaults-on-palestinians/

@OctoPinky said in #49:
> You nailed it...
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I think you seem to be missing the point here. The point is not "Individuals start chants of death". We all know that in war that happens often, and Israel is no exception.

Rather, we are looking at a different issue here - the idea that you can have thousands of government helpers. Not citizens, but high ranking people in government. High ranking people that would risk their reputation and a lot for such an extreme view, to say the least. I suppose I wasn't clear in my original text. Individual citizens can scream death all they want and while such cases are obviously extremely shameful to their cause - it doesn't really impact the war much as a whole - besides, of course, changing public opinion.

To highlight this, let's look at an example, shall we? One doesn't have to look hard at all to find this: www.timesofisrael.com/death-to-the-jews-chants-heard-at-berlin-pro-palestinian-rally/

Would you say that because some Muslims chanted this, therefore all Palestinians must be bad? Or that they must then be plotting a genocide against Israel? And that they are already engaging in genocide?

I think not. To get a genocide going you need government, not some random people.